When Karen the editor asked if I fancied interviewing Jack Monroe for this issue I was whooping and a-cheering and telling everyone from the mums on the school run to Maureen in the newsagents. What surprised me was how many people responded with a “Who?”
For the uninitiated here’s how Jack describes herself on her blog, A Girl Called Jack -‘Cook, campaigner, Guardian journalist, mother, author, etc. Winner of…’ and then follows a list of her seven major awards to date. She found fame after writing a post entitled Hunger Hurts on her blog in 2012 telling how she sold off most of her possessions to raise money to feed her toddler when her benefits were continuously sanctioned. She is a woman of our lean times, the queen of austerity survival and has, well… moved on.
“My first book, 100 budget recipes, was about what I was then, a single mum struggling to survive. I wanted my new book, A Year in 120 Recipes, to reflect the extraordinary and unpredictable year it’s been. I’m now living in London with a new girlfriend and stepdaughter, I’m a Guardian columnist and the author of two books.”
That’s two books in one year and she’s already busy writing her third. I ask Jack how she feels about the critics who are saying she’s ‘poshed up’ and left her original audience behind.
“All the ingredients used in the recipes for my new book are readily available in any supermarket and there’s nothing really expensive in there. But people will always find something to complain about.”
Jack’s unlikely to give a tossed salad about her critics though as she’s had so much stick along the road to fame that nothing much riles her any more. Her Twitter trolls are legendary with people attacking her for everything from her looks, tattoos and lesbianism to the fact that she recommends budget bacon.
Then there was the verbal thrashing she got from Edwina Curry on Channel 5’s Big Benefits Row Live. And Waitrose-gate, lest we forget that. The supermarket chain ended up with egg all over its face (ooh look, I made a connection with Edwina there) and had to apologise to Jack after daring to airbrush her tattoos from their magazine feature.
I ask Jack if she now has a team behind her, someone to answer her emails, write her blog, Tweet for her when she’s all Tweeted out but she says no, she’s still a one woman show. I also want to ask if she’s still only paying herself the living wage and if she now has a cleaner but I get the feeling that the move to girlfriend Allegra McEvedy MBE’s house has made my questions irrelevant. Allegra looks like she would have a cleaner by birthright.
Jack wrote in the Guardian that she had admired chef Allegra for years but never imagined that the kitchen she saw in Allegra’s cookbooks would one day be hers. It’s a very nice kitchen in a very nice patch of West London where Allegra’s daughter Delilah and Jack’s son Jonny are regular kids at the regular primary. I say how it must be easier for both children to now have each other for support. After all it can’t be easy having parents who are very much in the public eye and gay. “Yes, I think a sibling always makes life easier. I know my brother did for me.”
Don’t be expecting to see any photos of either child in the press or the cook books though. “The last book was about me and my son’s survival and that’s why it included pictures of him. But I embargoed press pictures when Jonny started school this year.”
Jack adds that the absent parents of both children would prefer it if the children are kept out of the books and the papers. I ask how Jack gets on with Allegra’s ex-wife (and Delilah’s mum) Susi and she says they all get on like a house on fire and all four parents, including Jonny‘s dad, hang out together some weekends “because that’s what the kids want.” Bloody hell, I’m so impressed that all the grown-ups are acting like…well, civilised grown-ups.
I mention that I’d spotted a pile of Jack’s first book, 100 Budget Recipes, at one of the food banks in Nelson and ask her if Penguin will be sending out copies of her new book to the food banks as well.
“Actually that was an initiative started by readers. People said they were going to buy two copies of the book so they could give one to their local foodbank. I produced recipe cards from my last book for the Trussell Trust network, but for this book all the recipes will appear on the blog or in my Guardian column. I’m not precious in any way about my recipes, as some chefs can be.”
At £18.99 it’s unlikely that anyone living on a limited food budget will buy a copy of the book even if it’s discounted to £9.50 on Amazon or through one of the major supermarkets. Amazon is one thing I am mustard keen to ask Jack about. Their employment practice, reluctance to pay corporate tax and their grim reaper attitude to small publishers and independent bookshops is so atrocious that I rather hoped Jack would have refused to sell her books through them.
“It’s all such a massive minefield. I always ask people to buy my books through HIVE which is an online site for local, independent book stores.”
HIVE do offer some discount on the hefty retail price but will really only appeal to those who can afford to put ethics before cost and those independent bookstores that HIVE represents are dwindling thanks to companies like Amazon.
Karen wanted to know the significance of Jack’s tattoos and I want to know about one in particular which features a suited person with a goldfish bowl for a head – complete with goldfish. Jack had courted Allegra on Twitter after naming her son’s goldfish after her and I ask if the tattoo is an homage to her new girlfriend. “Not at all, it’s from an album cover by Counting Crows who were the soundtrack to my growing up. It’s actually a very private tattoo as it’s usually covered by clothing.”
For the life in me I can’t remember how I know about it or where I saw the image. When I try to find it again it seems to have disappeared into the internet ether.
In the end Jack talks for nearly 45 minutes (I’d been warned I would probably only have 15) and only stops when a Penguin publicist reminds her that she has a mountain of books to sign. So no time off to celebrate publication day then? Not in the slightest. “We had a celebratory bowl of porridge with the kids this morning and did three cheers with our spoons and that was it. I haven’t even had a launch party and will probably just have dinner with friends at some point to celebrate.”
Can we expect to see a TV series of the book any time soon? “I’ve talked to plenty of TV production companies but I don’t want to do anything that just focuses on one aspect of my life.”
If producers think the public would switch off a series featuring Jack’s daily life encompassing the cooking, the MBE girlfriend, the tattoo parlour, the busking on street corners with Billy Bragg to appearing on Question Time then I think someone in telly needs sacking.
Jack Monroe – A Year in 120 Recipes is slick and a little bit saucy in places with an excellent recipe for peanut butter bread, tried and tested by myself. It also has a couple of suggestions for those radish tops which I’ll bet you have all been throwing away for years. Priced £18.99 or less and available from your local, friendly bookshop as well as other less friendly places.